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Crimson Wife

Father O'Leary,
Do you truly believe that the Catholic Church should "learn from the Anglicans?" That denomination has steadily lost members and influence over the past half-century and is currently on the verge of schism. A number of Episcopal priests and even whole congregations have converted to Catholicism recently. I am a cradle Catholic but my mom & her family are Episcopalians so I hear first-hand accounts of the turmoil in that denomination. That's not what I want for our Faith!

The fastest-growing faiths in the world are the traditionalist ones- Pentecostalism, Mormonism, Islam, and so on. Within Catholicism, the fastest-growing parishes are ones offering Byzantine and Traditional Latin Masses. It's not just the older generation who grew up prior to Vatican II and converts, either. Many young cradle Catholics like me have grown dissatisfied with wishy-washy "feel good" Catholicism lite and have embraced orthodoxy.

We should do well to recall Christ's warning in Matthew 7:13-14: "Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!"

gravey

"Somehow the Tridentine Mass is supposed to have an aura of holiness that will spread to the Novus Ordo as well. This is weak and illogical thinking."

"I am no liturgical historian, but I wonder if there has ever been a case in history where older and newer forms of the same rite are maintained in the same church."

I disagree. In the Diocese of Oakland (CA) a parish has maintained both rites since 1989. The NO Mass is in Latin, incorporates bells, incense, traditional vestments, traditional music and sacred silence. I believe that the introduction of the TM greatly influenced the NO Mass in that Church and that the NO Mass is offered in way which is truly holy, consistent with the real spirit of Vatican II.

Stephen

"The faithful will be choosing between a Tridentine Mass at 9 and a Novus Ordo Mass at 10. This is a troubling scenario."


Why is this troubling? It will draw out "traditionalists" and re-incorporate them into the standard parish community.

Increasing numbers of parishes offer NO Masses with Latin and chant. This is a type of gravitational "pull" that the Tridentine Mass has on the NO Mass. And it is a good effect that I hope continues to spread.

Clayton

Did you read the explanatory note? I thought this quote from St. Paul was particularly appropriate:

"Our mouth is open to you, Corinthians; our heart is wide. You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted in your own affections. In return … widen your hearts also!" (2 Corinthians 6:11-13). Paul was certainly speaking in another context, but his exhortation can and must touch us too, precisely on this subject. Let us generously open our hearts and make room for everything that the faith itself allows.

Father V.

Shouldn't we be applauding anything that will bring people back to the fold? I have heard from so many over the years, "Well, you know, it's a big Church, be open to the gifts that everyone brings." This is usually an excuse for some craziness, or some heterodox practice. Well, now those who have blown this horn need to realize that yes, it truly is a big Church, and there is room for two liturgies in the Roman rite.

Secondly, I sense in your post a certain lack of trust in the Holy Spirit. The Sedevacantists hold that there is no valid pope since Pius XII, but many on the other side of the aisle seem to think that the Holy Spirit has stopped working through the person of the Pope since Vatican II. Both are, of course, wrong. This is an action of the Holy Spirit working through Peter. Let us all relax, and "generously open our hearts and make room for everything that the faith itself allows."

God love you and keep you, dear brother.

Pristinus Sapienter

Oh, good grief! So much hot air, Father, with little warmth and absolutely no light!

Where, oh where, have you misplaced your faith?

Could it be there hiding behind and buried under your out-sized ego? Has it not occurred to you that only God can afford to exert ego, all and here abouts?

I will pray for you, surely - you appear to need prayers almost as much as I do.

The young fogey

Obviously, Father, we're on opposite sides of this issue but I've never forgotten your gentlemanly defence of me on Fr Jake's blog for my peace witness.

Me on the motu: http://home.att.net/~sergei592/motu.html

'Do you truly believe that the [Roman] Catholic Church should "learn from the Anglicans?"'

Well, of course I do! :) 1) The Episcopalians had the sense to backtrack very near the beginning of their liturgical revision and offer what many people wanted: a 'Rite I' traditional option in the new book and a traditional service once a week, often the early ('eight o'clock') service... that's why the Church of England has included a similar option in its new books; and 2) the English Missal and Anglican Breviary are traditionalists' for the asking to do the 1962 services in English.

Anna Ficaldi

Father O'Leary. Hello. I am not a Catholic. I was born and raised a Protestant. But I've read your writings, your views, all over the web for some time now. All I want to ask you is this: why do you not leave the RCC and join the "group" to which you belong in reality? You know, the so called "ultra-liberal Protestants"? Those people who barely can call themselves "Christian" any more? I can never understand why people like you who try and undermine (sorry, I know this is a strong word!) your tradition, still cling to it in a basically dishonest manner, while at the same time trying to smuggle with the heads and minds of your fellow church men/women. Have you ever asked this question to yourself? Perhaps you did. Did you reach an honest answer?

Michael J. Bayly

Fr. O'Leary is where he needs to be - at the growing edge of our Catholic tradition.

We need informed, courageous, and intellectually honest people like him to challenge and inspire us. I know there are many Catholics who appreciate the work of theologians like Joseph O'Leary. It would be a sad day for the Church if their voices were silenced.

Thank you, Joseph, for all you do.

Peace,

Michael

The young fogey

Not to presume to speak for Father but my theory is a lot of it is cultural - ethnic and class loyalty keeps a lot of dissident Roman Catholics where they are even though intellectually they're liberal Protestants. For example they don't become Episcopalians because of the bad history between the Irish and the English and because they don't like high churchmanship.

I can take this one further and say the liberals are an inverted form of the first kind of catholics I describe here: http://unasancta.wordpress.com/2007/07/05/talks-with-a-young-fogey/

Part of the same Roman culture as the EWTN conservatives?

Joseph O'Leary

Young fogey, I forget if you speak as an Anglican or as a Roman Cathoic, but why do you feel it necessary to use that Stalinist language about dissidents? I love the Anglican Communion and consider it an authentic form of Catholic Christianity, "our sister church" as Paul VI called it. To argue that I should therefore reject the Roman Catholic Church is sectarian thinking. I note that my revered teacher Enda McDonagh has been made an Ecumenical Canon of an Anglican Cathedral in Dublin -- a sign of how close our churches are, how one in Christ.

Joseph O'Leary

Here is the response of the Archbishop of Paris:

Archevêché de Paris Paris, le 6 juillet 2007


Aux curés et aux prêtres de Paris


Chers amis,

Depuis bientôt un an, la presse nous annonce la prochaine publication d’un Motu Proprio. Elle en donne des versions diverses, au point que nous avons déjà été préparés à le lire avant qu’il ne paraisse. Maintenant nous en avons le texte et c’est ce texte dont nous devons assurer la « réception » par nous et par tous les fidèles. Après les vacances, nous pourrons faire le point plus précisément sur la situation mais dès maintenant, je souhaite donc simplement vous proposer quelques clés de lecture et quelques orientations pratiques. 1. L’intention du Pape. Dans sa lettre d’accompagnement le Pape exprime les raisons positives qui l’ont conduit à publier ce Motu Proprio. La première est la volonté de faire progresser la communion de l’Eglise. Il ne s’agit ni de « revenir en arrière » à une pratique préconciliaire ni de donner des gages à des groupes de pression. Il s’agit de prendre une mesure d’apaisement et d’ouvrir la voie à une plus grande communion entre les chrétiens. Ce serait donc aller à l’encontre de cette intention que d’utiliser ce texte pour rallumer une sorte de guerre liturgique. Nous ne sommes pas dans un conflit entre des rites qui feraient de l’Eucharistie un moyen d’opposition ou de division. Nous sommes devant un appel à vivre l’Eucharistie comme une expérience de communion. C’est donc notre premier objectif pastoral.

2. La règle. Le moyen de faire progresser notre communion sacramentelle est simple. Le Pape rappelle, comme le faisait déjà l’Exhortation post-synodale Sacramentum Caritatis, que la « forme normale » ou la « forme ordinaire » de la liturgie eucharistique est celle établie par Paul VI, et confirmée par Jean-Paul II, à la suite du Concile, telle que la donne la Présentation générale du Missel Romain. La nouveauté est l’élargissement du Motu Proprio de 1988 pour la célébration eucharistique selon le Missel de 1962, désignée comme une « forme extraordinaire » pour bien manifester qu’il ne s’agit pas d’un retour général à la pratique antérieure. Cette possibilité de célébrer selon le Missel de 1962 est élargie à tous les prêtres pour des messes sans participation des fidèles, à des communautés religieuses et à des « groupes stables de paroissiens » qui peuvent en faire la demande à leur curé. Elle peut aussi concerner des demandes particulières pour les sacrements célébrés, soit en latin selon le rituel actuel, soit selon le rituel de 1962. 3. L’application. Ces nouvelles mesures seront applicables à compter du 14 septembre 2007. Nous devons donc profiter de ce délai pour réfléchir aux possibilités de sa mise en oeuvre. Mais dès maintenant nous devons donner aux fidèles une information exacte qui corrige les présentations approximatives des journaux. Cette information porte sur trois points : • Il n’y a aucune mesure générale pour remettre en cause la « forme ordinaire » de la liturgie paroissiale. • Nous sommes invités à améliorer encore la qualité liturgique de nos célébrations y compris quand c’est pastoralement possible avec des parties latines de l’Ordinaire de la messe. • Les prêtres qui adhèrent à l’usage ancien doivent reconnaître « la valeur et la sainteté » de la messe selon le Missel de Paul VI pour être autorisés à célébrer selon le Missel de 1962. 4. Dans le diocèse de Paris. Comme vous le savez, depuis le Motu Proprio de 1988, le diocèse de Paris a institué la célébration selon le Missel de 1962 dans trois lieux : Ste Odile, St Eugène-Ste Cécile, et la Chapelle Notre-Dame du Lys. Ces trois propositions demeurent. A la demande de la Communauté de Notre-Dame du Lys, nous avons cherché une paroisse qui soit à même d’accueillir cette célébration plus largement. Ce sera chose faite à partir du 1er dimanche de l’Avent 2007. Pour assurer la qualité et la vitalité des célébrations selon le Missel de 1962, il me paraît raisonnable de renforcer ces trois lieux de célébration. Si de nouvelles demandes se présentent dans votre paroisse, vous voudrez bien les étudier avec générosité et me faire les suggestions pastorales que vous estimez justes. Je n’ouvrirai pas de paroisses personnelles dans le diocèse de Paris car j’estime que des fidèles qui demandent la célébration selon le Missel de 1962, ne sont pas des paroissiens « à part ». Mais cette volonté de ne pas les marginaliser suppose que nous soyons capables de répondre raisonnablement aux demandes qui seront faites. J’ai toute confiance dans votre jugement pastoral et votre capacité pour gérer cette situation avec justice et charité. Je compte sur vous pour que vous informiez les fidèles de façon à ne pas exacerber des polémiques dont les médias sont avides. Je souhaite que vous preniez quand même un repos bien nécessaire et je vous assure, cher amis, de mes sentiments cordiaux.

Mgr André Vingt-Trois

Note that he does not intend to open "personal parishes" because he does not think those who want the old rite are separate parishioners. Also he stresses that only those who accept the legitimacy and holiness of the Novus Ordo can receive permission to celebrate the Tridentine rite.

Joseph O'Leary

For the fetishism surrounding the cult of the Tridentine rite, I found a very illuminating comment from a young Catholic, John Heard, who expresses a fascination with the maniple-- "an ornamental handkerchief derived from a Roman soldier's sweat-towel"!: http://johnheard.blogspot.com/2007/07/dreadpublishing-being-heard-john-heard.html.

Joseph O'Leary

On episcopal authority, see the interesting and good-natured responses of Cardinal Jean-Pierre Ricard at his press conferences: http://www.dailymotion.com/fcrp/video/x2hc6i_motuproprio-cal-ricard-autorite-de

Joseph O'Leary

Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun says:

"Cardinal Ratzinger, head of the division of the Church that had directed the Inquisition before he became Pope Benedict XVI, has taken a powerful step toward the re-introduction of the process of demeaning Jews. You cannot respect another religion if you teach that those who are part of it must convert to your own religion. Interfaith respect is based on acceptance of the notion that people who do not become part of your own religion nevertheless deserve respect, and their religious commitments cannot be treated as something which must be overcome and left behind. While such notions of mutual respect are not honored recently in the practice of the U.S. government which currently believes it has the right to murder people in other countries and invade and topple their governments if they do not share the religion of capitalism and democracy, those of us who are spiritual progressives believe that this approach to the world is barbaric. So just as we oppose these policies in our own government, we join in supporting the many Catholics who are part of the Network of Spiritual Progressives who are dismayed and outraged at this latest assault on interfaith cooperation by the Pope, recognizing it as a first step on a slippery slope toward the restoration of anti-Semitism in the Church as well as the restoration of authoritarian and feudal ways of thinking that they had hoped would be relegated to the garbage bins of history... We see this move as wildly insensitive and further proof of the need of the Church to systematically teach its priests and its members about the disgraceful role it played in fostering anti-Semitism through the centuries, and how the teachings of hatred, and the need to convert the Jews, played into that anti-Semitism."

Joseph O'Leary

What Rabbi Lerner is complaining about is this prayer in the 1962 Missal that is to be restored:

"For the conversion of the Jews. Let us pray also for the Jews that the Lord our God may take the veil from their hearts and that they also may acknowledge our Lord Jesus Christ.

"Let us pray: Almighty and everlasting God, You do not refuse Your mercy even to the Jews; hear the prayers which we offer for the blindness of that people so that they may acknowledge the light of Your truth, which is Christ, and be delivered from their darkness."

Joseph O'Leary

Interesting that there is a lot of restiveness among neocaths AGAINST the Motu Proprio. Benedict may have miscalculated the extent of his support base on this one. At Mark Shea's weblog we find sentiments such as the following:

'I entered the Church in 1971, so I had no first-hand knowledge of the Tridentine Mass. Out of (possibly) sinful curiosity, I attended a Lefebvrist celebration in the early 80's (did not receive communion of course). I was neither deeply enchanted nor particularly repelled. Though I lacked an emotional stake in the matter, until recently I favored making it widely available to those who preferred it. I thought the niggardly response of most bishops to the papal indults were petty and insolent (being, as they were, so obviously contemptuous of the Pope's plain intent). But after slogging through the comboxes on this during the last few months, I am this far (fingers 1/8 inch apart) from coming to the opinion that the motu proprio is a mistake and that the Tridentine Mass should be ruthlessly and finally suppressed. The arrogant disdain of some(not all, I admit) of its partisans for people who somehow can't perceive the total depravity of the Novus Ordo has been a major turn-off for me. I would never have thought that I could feel sympathy for the French bishops, but these guys have actually made me think that their froggish excellencies might be onto something.'

What if they gave a Tridentine party and nobody came?

Joseph O'Leary

One apect of the madness is that priests are already in short supply and over-burdened. As Bishop Matano of Burlington Diocese says:

'To celebrate the extraordinary form of the Sacred Liturgy with the proper reverence and honor it merits, careful preparation is needed. It is now over thirty years since this venerable rite has been celebrated in our Diocese. Thus, pastors able to celebrate the extraordinary form must reacquaint themselves with its rubrics. Also, servers must be properly trained, as well as choirs and cantors. At the same time, due to a severe shortage of priests, the first duty of the Bishop and the pastors is to make the Eucharistic Sacrifice available to as many people as possible, using the rite that is understood by the majority of the faithful in attendance... When this fundamental need is met, attention can be given to significant numbers of the faithful who seek the celebration of the extraordinary form of the Eucharistic Liturgy.'


Joseph O'Leary

Neocath rage from one Barbara Nicolosi, a disgruntled reader of the above blog entry:

Saturday, July 07, 2007
"Isn't it hard for you to kick against the goad?"

I did enough gloating for a year in my earlier post about the Pope's new Motu Proprio. So, I'm not going to gloat here about being right about the grinding and gnashing of teeth already coming from the G.H.C.W.L.A.L.T.F. (Grey-Haired Catholics Who Long Ago Lost Their Faith).

But, in truth, they're off. Here are a few choice snips from a GHPWLALHF (Grey-Haired Priest Who Long Ago Lost His Faith) twisting in the wind in a blog post he entitled, "Moto Proprio Madness". "Madness". The madness of the Vicar of Christ. I point it out just in case someone out there thought I was exaggerating about the disdain with which the GHCWLALTF have always treated the rest of us. In the name of the general good, of course.

The new Motu Proprio reflects clearly the rather idiosyncratic opinions of Joseph Ratzinger, opinions that have always been controversial and divisive.... [NOTE FROM BARB: Please note the hackneyed GHCWLALTF tactic of define and dismiss, a.k.a. "We call you names, so then, we don't have to listen to you."]

...Here the aspiration of many bishops to offer a “creative liturgy” to their people, is discredited.... [NOTE FROM BARB: See, the creative part of the liturgy is Jesus changing the bread into Himself. All the GHC'sWLALTF efforts to be more "creative" than Jesus at the liturgy have been obscenely inappropriate. Like watching Ellen Degeneres do her dancing at the Moscow Ballet.]

There is no mention of inculturation, or of a return to biblical sources.... Nothing about the pain of the many faithful who have not been provided with creative, inculturated liturgy, but with sawdust texts, hopeless sermons, wretched music, etc. [NOTE FROM BARB: Is it really possible for a GHPWLALHF to duck responsibility for the "wretched music" in the Church today? Are you kidding me?! You guys were the ones who shoved down our throats the Music Ministry People waving their hands in the air and croaking, "To Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake Each MO-ment and Livvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvve Each Mo-ment in Peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecae E-ter-nal-lyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy....."??? You gotta own the bodies of your rebellion, buddy.]

Nothing about learning from the Anglicans, who do all these things so much better than we do. In short, both diagnosis and remedy seem very narrow.... [NOTE FROM BARB: More name calling. Now the Pope is "narrow." But the Anglicans are super smart and good!]

...The Anti-Defamation League has rightly condemned the restoration of the prayer for the conversion of the Jews.... [NOTE FROM BARB: Because we do not wish that all people come to believe in Jesus? What you really meant to say here was, "What can we expect from a Pope who was in the Hitler Youth? People who like the Tridentine mass are all anti-Semites." Define and dismiss 101.]

...there are indications that the Motu Proprio is designed to undercut episcopal authority... [NOTE FROM BARB: Oh, no! Not people questioning authority?!!.... I suppose it is too obvious to say that someone might consider this GHP'sWLALHF blog post to be designed to undercut Papal authority. No, that's too obvious. I won't say it.]

...The Rev Keith Pecklers, a Jesuit liturgical expert [NOTE FROM BARB THE GHCWLALTF EXPERT...That's all, just wanted to balance out any whiff of the argument from expert authority.], said: ‘The real issue here is not limited to liturgy but has wider implications for church life.’ He added that proponents of the old Mass ‘tend to oppose the laity's increased role in parish life... collaboration with other Christians and its dialogue with Jews and Muslims.’” [NOTE FROM BARB: Because people who resist the GHCWLALTF are fearful, bigotted and racist. Define and dismiss. But really, is this guy really claiming that allowing the Mass of Bl. John XXIII is going to foster clericalism and bigotry? What is it with this generation that they always demonize in the worst political extremes, anyone who disagrees with them? Enough already. Can't you all go and pray somewhere while you wait for death?]

...Some French bishops have expressed their resolve to remain firmly in charge of the liturgy of their dioceses, and have been immediately denounced by neocaths as contumacious. It is bad governance for a Pope to appear to ride roughshod over his own bishops and his most enlightened advisers. [NOTE FROM BARB: Oh, so that's what JPII meant when he asked the French bishops, "Eldest Daughter of the Church, What have you done with your baptism?" It was all a papal euphemism for "you Frenchies are my most enlightened advisors.]

...The Motu Proprio will be greeted by many, deplored by many, as a blow to the authority of Vatican II.... [NOTE FROM BARB: No doubt the same people who distorted and misrepresented Vatican II for their own GHCWLALTF ends.]

...Somehow the Tridentine Mass is supposed to have an aura of holiness that will spread to the Novus Ordo as well. This is weak and illogical thinking. [NOTE FROM BARB: No reason given. Just because the GHPWLALHF says so. Oh, and note that the Vicar of Christ (author of something like 60 theological texts, has a weak and illogical intellect.]

I could go on, but what is the point? Just, please parse all the crap like the above that you are going to hear in the media once we get past tonights "The Planet is God" festivities.

Darwin

What Rabbi Lerner is complaining about is this prayer in the 1962 Missal that is to be restored:

"For the conversion of the Jews. Let us pray also for the Jews that the Lord our God may take the veil from their hearts and that they also may acknowledge our Lord Jesus Christ.

"Let us pray: Almighty and everlasting God, You do not refuse Your mercy even to the Jews; hear the prayers which we offer for the blindness of that people so that they may acknowledge the light of Your truth, which is Christ, and be delivered from their darkness."

Yes and? I would certainly have no objection to Jews offering a prayer along the lines: "For the conversion of the Christian people to the true belief in the one God. May they see the falsehood of the teachings of Jesus the so-called-Messiah and come to understand that God is one and eternal, not divided into three persons."

Indeed, I would take it as a certain measure of respect for us, as Christians, if Jews did pray for us in this way. If someone believes his religion to be true (as I assume the good Rabbi does) and if the doctrines to which one gives belief differ from those of another (as I'm sure his do from mine) than one ought to pray for that person's conversion.

Vatican II rightly pointed out to us that many successfully give their love to God and attain salvation through love of Him despite holding to beliefs which are not true in every detail. But that does not mean that there is not a truth out there to subscribe to.

We also pray for the return of other Christians to unity with the one Church, and for the conversion of those who do not believe in God. Surely it would be odd if we then left the Jews out, as if they were not worthy of finding the truth.

All in all, though I'm no great fan of the Tridentine rite, I can't see a problem with the motu proprio, which seems to focus of providing power and flexibility to the laity. There's nothing clericalist or hierarchical about telling priests and bishops to listen to what the lay people want and give it to them -- rather than cramming down their throats whatever some panel of experts deem to be "at the people's level".

Pertinacious Papist

It is very difficult to reason with people suffering from mental illness.

So THAT'S what explains the challenge we've had trying to reason with you! You insist on clinging to your bugbear, your fetish, your foggy-headed notion of the "Spirit of Vatican II," and react with rage to anyone (like Benedict XVI) who puts it in question!

LaVallette

So what do we do with all those troglodytic Eastern Rites within the Catholic Church?

The Tridentine Rite is no more and no less than the traditional Western Rite.

Should they be banned outside the borders of their particular linguistic reach and traditions?

What is scaring the anti TR people? They still have the NO and no one is threatening that in any way.

Are they scared people may vote with their feet towards the TR or influence a more devout, dignified and elevated approach in the NO rite, especially in terms of the English language and the music currently in use rather than, the "get it over as quickly as possible" and "pop tune" current approach

Joseph O'Leary

"Get it over as quickly as possible" was quite a common attitude to the old Tridentine rite, as all of us who were altar boys remember. In no way was the acolyte encouraged to recite his responses at a slow contemplative pace.

Joseph O'Leary

Pertinacious Papist -- once again your contribution to the discussion is mere empty satire. Have you a substantive argument on any aspect of the issue?

Joseph O'Leary

Darwin, the prayer you quote was replaced in later versions and the current prayer is one that does not gratuitously offend Jewish people. To go back to the old prayer is nasty and insulting.

Clayton

If I'm not mistaken, the prayer in question is from the Good Friday liturgy... which won't be celebrated under the provisions of the MP.

So what is the point of raising the controversy about this prayer? Seems like a divisive distraction...

Joseph O'Leary

Clayton, "Art. 2. In Masses celebrated without the people, each Catholic priest of the Latin rite, whether secular or regular, may use the Roman Missal published by Bl. Pope John XXIII in 1962, or the Roman Missal promulgated by Pope Paul VI in 1970, and may do so on any day with the exception of the Easter Triduum. For such celebrations, with either one Missal or the other, the priest has no need for permission from the Apostolic See or from his Ordinary."

"Art. 3. Communities of Institutes of consecrated life and of Societies of apostolic life, of either pontifical or diocesan right, wishing to celebrate Mass in accordance with the edition of the Roman Missal promulgated in 1962, for conventual or "community" celebration in their oratories, may do so. If an individual community or an entire Institute or Society wishes to undertake such celebrations often, habitually or permanently, the decision must be taken by the Superiors Major, in accordance with the law and following their own specific decrees and statues.

NOTE THAT THE EXCEPTION OF THE TRIDUUM DOES NOT APPLY TO THE PARAGRAPH 3. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE MOTU PROPRIO TO PREVENT A TRADITIONALIST COMMUNITY USING THE TRIDENTINE RITE FOR THE TRIDUUM.


Joseph O'Leary

http://atonementparish.blogspot.com/2007/07/summorum-pontificum.html

"I belong to a parish that welcomed in people from SSPX and our experience has been, if possible, even worse. Our pastor ended up in the hospital from the stress, bickering, and outright threats to the point where restraining orders had to be issued against members of this “holier than the Pope” group. Having been one of those “refugees” from SSPX I am in a unique position to sound the alarm. Out of the entire group (about 50 families) my husband and I are the ONLY ones who integrated into the parish. I am the Youth Minister and we both help teach RCIA. Since I am a lay person some people have been less than cordial re: my caveats."

Pedro

"Though you well know it, I shall remind you again that a Priest is 'another Christ'. And that the holy Spirit has said: 'Nolite tangere Christos meos — do not touch my Christs'."
(The Way, 67)

Joseph O'Leary

The Bishops of England and Wales, in their reception of the Motu Proprio, take the interpretive gambit I predicted: 'The Pope’s intention is to free Bishops from “constantly having to evaluate anew how they are to respond to different situations”. He states that the Bishops’ own authority and responsibility, both for the liturgy and for the pastoral care of the faithful is fully maintained.'

Another excellent gambit, also followed by Archbishop Vingt-Trois, is to say: "We are already doing what the Motu Proprio asks for". Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor says: "“We are confident that the provisions already made throughout England and Wales under the indult granted back in 1971 go a significant way towards meeting the requirements of the new Norms. We foresee little difficulty in receiving and carrying out the Pope’s teaching about the two forms of the celebration of the Eucharist. There will of course be some priests who may not know immediately how best to respond to genuine requests for the extraordinary rite. The Norms are perfectly clear that the responsibility lies with the Bishop and where appropriate for him to refer to the Holy See for assistance and advice."

The art of "reception" has a long history in Catholicism and it is a deep and subtle one.

Joseph O'Leary

English Latin Mass Society: "The English Latin Mass Society said in a statement: "Thirty-seven years ago, the Latin Mass Society was denounced by The Universe newspaper for its attachment to the Traditional Latin Rite under the banner headline, 'Latin Madness'. Today, the loyalty, determination and sufferings of the Traditional faithful have been vindicated by Pope Benedict XVI's wise and pastoral motu proprio. This document puts an end to the discrimination, marginalisation and exclusion which, too often, Traditional Catholics have suffered. Instead, Pope Benedict has stressed legitimate diversity in the liturgical life of the Church and has enjoined the equality of all validly celebrated rites. In this respect it is important to note Pope Benedict's explicit statement that the 1962 Missal of Blessed John XXIII 'was never juridically abrogated and consequently, in principle, was always permitted.'"

Note the word "equality". And note also this statement:

"Particularly important is Pope Benedict's implicit admission that many bishops could and should have done more over the years to accommodate the legitimate needs of those attached to the Traditional Rite."

The Latin Mass Society want the Pope to put his money where his mouth is: "We propose to ask the Holy Father to celebrate publicly the Traditional Rite as a mark of unity. This is a great day for the Church, particularly in Europe, where those attached to both the Traditional and new usages can now pull together as equals to launch the re-evangelisation of the continent."

Someone suggests that the reason Benedict feels the secession of the Lefebvrists as such a deep wound is that they take with them the residues of the old European aristocracy, on which he counts for the re-evangelization of Europe -- old Throne and Altar stuff.

Joseph O'Leary

Bishop David A. Zubik of Green Bay, Wis.: "Most importantly, I wish to state emphatically that the Mass is not changing. The normal way that we have been celebrating the Mass for the past 40 years remains. What you and I are asked to do is to open our hearts and be more aware of and attentive to those who have a spiritual need for the extraordinary form of celebrating the Mass."

The reality of this spiritual need may be questioned, as the bishops suggests when he adds that papal intervention appears to be "in response to serious concerns that have been expressed in countries other than our own."

Cardinal Sean P. O'Malley said that he also believed the document "will not result in a great deal of change for the Catholics in the U.S."

"The issue of the Latin Mass is not urgent for our country.. I think they wanted us to be part of the conversation so that we would be able to understand what the situation is in countries where the numbers are very significant." So -- the USA, where the noisiest neocaths are jubilant about the Motu Proprio, will be virtually unaffected by it!

"There are some conservative Catholics who feel that everything ended with the Council, and some liberals who think that everything began with the council, and this Holy Father is trying to say that this is continuous growth, that it's the same church, and that we must try to avoid allowing the liturgy to become a battleground rather than a point of unification and communion for believers," O'Malley said in a July 7 telephone interview with the Boston Globe.

NOTE THAT HE SAYS THAT BENEDICT BELIEVES THAT THE NOVUS ORDO IS IN CONTINOUS GROWTH WITH THE OLD LITURGY, NOT THE DISCONTINUOUS LEAP THAT MOST TRADITIONALISTS SEE AND CLAIM THAT BENEDICT SEES.

Bishop Howard J. Hubbard of Albany, N.Y., expressed concern about "the reality that there are many priests in our diocese serving two or three parishes and few priests who are trained to celebrate the 1962 Latin form."

Joseph O'Leary

Surprise! Pertinacious Papist does not treat the Motu Proprio as an infallible oracle: "Judgments of prudence in matters of discipline are clearly not always prudent. In such matters, the pontiff is clearly not protected by the divine charism of infallibility. Our response: prayers of petition for what needs changing, and prayers of unceasing gratitude for whatever good gifts we've been given." Here is good Catholic principle to check hot-headed zealots.

Joseph O'Leary

On the other hand, Pertinacious uses his principle to suggest that the reforms of forty years ago were imprudent. But there is a deeper issue here. Those reforms were not just a papal initiative, they were carried out in obedience to the mandate of an Ecumenical Council. The suggestion that the reforms of Vatican II could be overturned in principle (a suggestion formally rejected by Benedict) savors of schism and even heresy.

Joseph O'Leary

More good Catholic principle in Pertinacious Papist's combox: "For me some Traditionalists fool themselves if they believe there is ever a way back for the whole church to times and worship before Vatican II - Novus Ordo is an inherant part of the organic catholic development. This is it - those that truly enjoy worship according to the Latin Rite will find ways to do so - but I bet the future will see plenty of liberal and progressive leaning parishes who will offer hybrid masses - services that are a mix between nice meditative gregorian chants, some melodic old rite Latin, great contemporary music and a feelgood homily."

Joseph O'Leary

The Motu Proprio is a very brief document. The implications from the point of view of Canon Law will be difficult to work out. As canonist Dr Edward Peters remarks (http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2007/07/motu-proprio-mo.html#comments): 'Skimming comboxes here and there, one might conclude that (pace chronically cranky liberals) there is nothing about this document, now that we can finally read it, that warrants a closer look or raises any concerns. I think some tempering of enthusiam might be in order. There are, I'm thinking, A LOT of real questions in here.'

Joseph O'Leary

On the Triduum, even private celebrations can happen then if the celebrant has permission; or so at least Jimmy Akin thinks: "This makes it clear that in private Masses the priest has discretion about which missal he is going to use. He doesn't need permission from anybody. Now watch the two blue clauses in the following sentence, because they're important: The only time he can't use the Tridentine missal without permission at private Masses is during Triduum. This doesn't say that he can't get permission to use the Tridentine missal at a private Mass during Triduum. It also doesn't say that the Tridentine missal can't be used at public or conventual masses during Triduum. As the norm is written, it's addressing the situation of private Masses during Triduum, presumably to keep priests from sneaking off to celebrate in this way privately and not participating in the public and conventual Masses that are offered then."

Akin also thinks that in speaking of (merely) "due" reverence for the Novus Ordo the Motu Proprio is implicitly downgrading it.


Joseph O'Leary

Akin goes into the nitty-gritty of potential frictions and flash-points. "In practical terms, the PCED [Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei] is likely to uphold the bishop's judgment if the group of the faithful is small or a Tridentine-rite-capable priest is not available. However, this norm contains the flip side of the fact that there is no minimum number of the faithful that is required for a group: As the law is written, a group of any number of the faithful can appeal to the PCED."

Actually, one can easily imagine the PCED being inundated with requests and complaints by tiny conventicles demanding a Mass to their liking; that would be a delicious nemesis! Bishops, too, could keep sending conundrums and quandaries to the PCED for resolution, initiating consultations that could drag out for years (in the manner of the recent Kennedy non-annulment). In short, if the Vatican turns out to have created headaches for bishops, priests and laity, it will have turned out to have created even more headaches for itself!

Joseph O'Leary

On the triduum again, Akin's combox has this: 'So, if you're in a parish that primarily observes the extraordinary form, it is likely your pastor will choose to use it for the Triduum. If not, you will likely have one in the ordinary form. Which, honestly, shouldn't be some heinous suffering for people. Those Masses are usually performed as the highest form of the Novus Ordo in the parishes I've attended. Respectful, reverent, often with extensive Latin usage, and all the "smells and bells". I can't say if my parish decided to use the extraordinary [?]form for the Triduum it would upset me, nor should it.'

Joseph O'Leary

And here is some realism from the ground:

'1) How many people does it take to 'trigger' the extraordinary rite? I work in a parish that already has mass in 3 languages. If ten people came to us with the desire for a mass in a fourth language, would we comply? No. Because the priests are already stretched thin by the three language groups we serve, because it would mean added expense for the music (which the collection from ten people might not cover) and because we don't have the 'slot' available on a Sunday. I can't imagine that we are that unique. You can also factor in that we have two priests avaialable, but something like 60% (?) of the parishes in the US have one priest assigned to them. How would he manage?

'2) I work in a diocese with three parishes which provide the 1962 missal mass under the old indult. I figured out a while back that no one in the diocese is more than about a 30 minute drive from one of these parishes. Even with a generous estimate about how many attend each of the 1962 masses, I don't think that more than about .4% of the mass-going public avails themselves of the opportunity now. In our parish, that would be 5 people, at that rate of attendance. Note what I said above about resources being stretched. I would just give them the phone numbers and Mapquest directions to where the mass they prefer is already being offered.

'3) All of that being said, one hasn't even begun to factor in the purchase of new liturgical books, the training that goes into saying the mass according to the old missal, etc. (The one priest I know who is chomping at the bit can't really pronounce Latin. So, he needs a bit more practice, I would say.) And, as I said above, there is the expense of the music ministry. (We could recreate the hurried and silent 15 minute masses of my childhood, but I don't think that these fulfill anyone's hopes (across the spectrum) for something beautiful, dignified, with full, conscious and active participation.)

'So, what do I think will happen? A big yawn. No huge changes. Maybe a few more opportunities to experience the 1962 missal. And we roll on to the next thing that will clamor for attention.'

What did I tell you? The whole thing is MAD. It is mere ideological posturing, massaging of the fetish, with no serious connection with potential practical effects.

Joseph O'Leary

Continuing this discussion may be a frivolous waste of time, since the insignificance of the Motu Proprio, except possibly as a negative symptom of more Vatican foot-dragging on Vatican II, is becoming quite apparent. But here in any case is a useful contrast of the old and new rites, provided by the US Bishops:

Extraordinary Form (1962)
includes 1% of Old Testament
includes 17% of New Testament

Ordinary Form (2007)
includes 14% of Old Testament
includes 71% of New Testament

Extraordinary Form (1962)
Begins with prayers at the foot of the altar prayed
privately by priest and server

Ordinary Form (2007)
Begins with a greeting and communal
penitential rite

Extraordinary Form (1962)
One Eucharistic Prayer: the Roman Canon

Ordinary Form (2007)
Nine Eucharistic Prayers, the first of which is
the Roman Canon

Extraordinary Form (1962)
Faithful usually receive Holy Communion only
under one kind

Ordinary Form (2007)
Allows for wider distribution of Holy
Communion under both kinds to the faithful

Extraordinary Form (1962)
Last Gospel and Prayers to Saint Michael the
Archangel included in closing rites

Ordinary Form (2007)
Closing rites include Prayer after
Communion, Blessing and Dismissal

Extraordinary Form (1962)
Preserves prayers and rites of 1570 with some
changes

Ordinary Form (2007)
Simplifies prayers and rites in the light of
contemporary research and understanding

Extraordinary Form (1962)
Only clerics or “altar boys” perform liturgical
ministry

Ordinary Form (2007)
Restores lay liturgical ministries and encourages careful differentiation of roles.

In short, as the bishops show, the 2007 liturgy has everything the 1962 one has and more!

Joseph O'Leary

The Bishops also say:

In both the ordinary and extraordinary forms of the Missale Romanum, full, conscious, and active participation of the faithful is to be desired above all else. (cf Sacrosanctum Concilium, 14). In both forms, this begins with an interior participation in the sacrifice of Christ, to which the gathered assembly is joined by the prayers and rites of the Mass.

The ordinary form of the rite customarily accomplishes this participation through listening and responding to the prayers of the Mass in the vernacular, and by taking part in forms of exterior communal action.

The extraordinary form accomplishes this participation largely through listening to the prayers in Latin and following the words and
actions of the Priest and joining our hearts to “what is said by him in the Name of Christ and [what] Christ says [to] him”(St. Pius X).

THIS SUMMARY OF DIFFERENCES BY THE US BISHOPS IS PERFECTLY OBJECTIVE, BUT IT IS A TOTALLY DAMNING COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED RESTORATION!

Joseph O'Leary

At Sacramentum Vitae we have this "welcome" to the Motu Proprio:


"Despite the best of intentions, this move will legitimate what is already a de facto schism. For the Tridentine Mass is the rallying point for Catholics, clerical or lay, who think Vatican II was unnecessary at best and a disaster at worst. The new indult will make it easier for lay Catholics of that sort to attend Mass in that form; many of them already attend such a Mass but do so despite resistance from their bishops, so that some of the priests who preside at such Masses are doing so illicitly—either without "faculties" or as members of schismatic groups. Greater lay access will do little to change the attitude of such priests toward either their bishops or to the "updated" Church in general; what it will do is make attendance at their liturgies guilt-free; and in the medium term, the most conservative bishops will probably permit seminarians to learn how to do a Tridentine Mass. The effect of all that will be to make it easier and more respectable to be what the traditionalists already are, which is a much wider reality than that of liturgy alone. In effect, it will further entrench a spiritual culture sharply at odds with much of what has happened, good as well as bad, since Vatican II.

"That does not mean I oppose the new indult. As a tactical matter, it is probably the only way to bring closer that "reform of the reform" which Joseph Ratzinger has long thought necessary. I suspect that's probably what he now thinks too. For the effect of the Tridentine-Mass culture on the wider Church will be to make it more respectable to seek out liturgy that isn't schlock and is more organically connected to the great past than the Novus Ordo has been. My own preference, for example, has long been to bring back Latin for the Ordinary of Mass and celebration ad orientem by the priest, neither of which Vatican II or the Missal of 1970 forbade, but without sacrificing those aspects of the Novus Ordo I like, such as the wider lectionary cycle in the vernacular, lay lectors, and communion in the hand. My hope and prayer is that easier access to the "extraordinary" form will make that possible in many quarters where it now is not. But in the meantime the price will be high."

Darwin

"Darwin, the prayer you quote was replaced in later versions and the current prayer is one that does not gratuitously offend Jewish people. To go back to the old prayer is nasty and insulting. "

I understand that the prayer I quoted (I pulled it from your post above -- I've never been to a Tridentine Good Friday service) is an older version that has since been revised. My point however -- lonely and unaddressed -- is that is a sad and flabby sort of "tolerance" that rests on all parties pretending that they do not actually believe themselves to hold the "truth" and hope that others will embrace it as well.

Perhaps it is easier to separate warring children by telling them "no one is right" but our goal should be a mutual respect of each others convictions, not an agreement to pretend we have none.

As such, a Catholic prayer for the conversion of the Jews should not be offensive to Jews -- and Jewish prayer for the conversion of Catholics should not be offensive to Catholics.

David Bennett

It is very difficult to reason with people suffering from mental illness.

For me, a major red flag pops up when disagreement with the author's assumption/perspective is equated with mental illness. I do not see how such an opening line is positive in encouraging real discussion and debate about the merits of the Tridentine mass.

Even though I would probably be stereotyped as a "neo-cath" by Fr. O'Leary, I am not a huge fan of the Tridentine mass, but I certainly can see the reasoning behind those who want to see it used more frequently.

Joseph O'Leary

David Bennett, I find it more enlightening to view the Tridentine Mass cult as a pathological symptom of the liturgical crisis than as a coolly reasoned response to it.

Darwin, see http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/relations-jews-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_19820306_jews-judaism_en.html

"NOTES on the correct way to present the Jews and Judaism
in preaching and catechesis in the Roman Catholic Church"

Preliminary considerations

On March 6th, 1982, Pope John Paul II told delegates of episcopal conferences and other experts, meeting in Rome to study relations between the Church and Judaism: "'you yourselves were concerned, during your sessions, with Catholic teaching and catechesis regarding Jews and Judaism' We should aim, in this field, that Catholic teaching at its different levels, in catechesis to children and young people, presents Jews and Judaism, not only in an honest and objective manner, free from prejudices and without any offences, but also with full awareness of the heritage common" to Jews and Christians.

In this passage, so charged with meaning, the Holy Father plainly drew inspiration from the Council Declaration Nostra Aetate, 4, which says:

"All should take pains, then, lest in catechetical instruction and in the preaching of God's Word they teach anything out of harmony with the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ"; as also from these words: "Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus so great, this sacred Synod wishes to foster and recommend mutual understanding and respect".

In the same way, the Guidelines and Suggestions for implementing the conciliar declaration Nostra Aetate (4) ends its chapter III, entitled "Teaching and education", which lists a number of practical things to be done, with this recommendation:

"Information concerning these questions is important at all levels of Christian instruction and education. Among sources of information, special attention should be paid to the following:

- catechisms and religious textbooks;

- history books;

- the mass media (press, radio, cinema, television).

The effective use of these means presupposes the thorough formation of instructors and educators in training schools, seminaries and universities" (AAS 77, 1975, p. 73).

The paragraphs which follow are intended to serve this purpose.

I. Religious Teaching and Judaism


1. In Nostra Aetate 4, the Council speaks of the "spiritual bonds linking" Jews and Christians and of the "great spiritual patrimony" common to both and it further asserts that "the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to the mystery of God's saving design, the beginning of her faith and her election are already found among the patriarchs, Moses and the prophets".

2. Because of the unique relations that exist between Christianity and Judaism - "linked together at the very level of their identity" (John Paul II, 6th March, 1982) - relations "founded on the design of the God of the Covenant" (ibid.), the Jews and Judaism should not occupy an occasional and marginal place in catechesis: their presence there is essential and should be organically integrated.

Joseph O'Leary

3. This concern for Judaism in Catholic teaching has not merely a historical or archeological foundation. As the Holy Father said in the speech already quoted, after he had again mentioned the "common patrimony" of the Church and Judaism as "considerable": "To assess it carefully in itself and with due awareness of the faith and religious life of the Jewish people as they are professed and practised still today, can greatly help us to understand better certain aspects of the life of the Church" (underlining added). It is a question then of pastoral concern for a still living reality closely related to the Church. The Holy Father has stated this permanent reality of the Jewish people in a remarkable theological formula, in his allocution to the Jewish community of West Germany at Mainz, on November 17th, 1980: "the people of God of the Old Covenant, which has never been revoked".

4. Here we should recall the passage in which the Guidelines and Suggestions (I) tried to define the fundamental condition of dialogue: "respect for the other as he is", knowledge of the "basic components of the religious traditions of Judaism" and again learning "by what essential trait the Jews define themselves in the light of their own religious experience" (Introd.)

5. The singular character and the difficulty of Christian teaching about Jews and Judaism lies in this, that it needs to balance a number of pairs of ideas which express the relation between the two economies of the Old and New Testament:

Promise and Fulfilment
Continuity and Newness
Singularity and Universality
Uniqueness and Exemplary Nature.

This means that the theologian and the catechist who deals with the subject needs to show in his practice of teaching that:

- promise and fulfilment throw light on each other;

- newness lies in a metamorphosis of what was there before;

- the singularity of the people of the Old Testament is not exclusive and is open, in the divine vision, to a universal extension;

- the uniqueness of the Jewish people is meant to have the force of an example.

6. Finally, "work that is of poor quality and lacking in precision would be extremely detrimental" to Judaeo-Christian dialogue (John Paul II, speech of March 6th, 1982). But it would be above all detrimental - since we are talking of teaching and education - to Christian identity (ibid).

7. "In virtue of her divine mission, the Church" which is to be "the all-embracing means of salvation" in which alone "the fulness of the means of salvation can be obtained" (Unit. Red. 3); "must of her nature proclaim Jesus Christ to the world" (cf. Guidelines and Suggestions, I). Indeed we believe that is is through him that we go to the Father (cf. Jn. 14:6) "and this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent" (Jn 17:33).

Jesus affirms (ibid. 10:16) that "there shall be one flock and one shepherd". Church and Judaism cannot then be seen as two parallel ways of salvation and the Church must witness to Christ as the Redeemer for all, "while maintaining the strictest respect for religious liberty in line with the teaching of the Second Vatican Council (Declaration Dignitatis Humanae)" (Guidelines and Suggestions, I).

8. The urgency and importance of precise, objective and rigorously accurate teaching on Judaism for our faithful follows too from the danger of anti-Semitism which is always ready to reappear under different guises. The question is not merely to uproot from among the faithful the remains of anti-Semitism still to be found here and there, but much rather to arouse in them, through educational work, an exact knowledge of the wholly unique "bond". (Nostra Aetate, 4) which joins us as a Church to the Jews and to Judaism. In this way, they would learn to appreciate and love the latter, who have been chosen by God to prepare the coming of Christ and have preserved everything that was progressively revealed and given in the course of that preparation, notwithstanding their difficulty in recognising in Him their Messiah.

II. Relations between the Old* and New Testament

1. Our aim should be to show the unity of biblical Revelation (O.T. and N.T.) and of the divine plan, before speaking of each historical event, so as to stress that particular events have meaning when seen in history as a whole Y from creation to fulfilment. This history concerns the whole human race and especially believers. Thus the definitive meaning of the election of Israel does not become clear except in the light of the complete fulfilment (Rom 9-11) and election in Jesus Christ is still better understood with reference to the announcement and the promise (cf. Heb 4:1-11).

2. We are dealing with singular happenings which concern a singular nation but are destined, in the sight of God who reveals his purpose, to take on universal and exemplary significance.

The aim is moreover to present the events of the Old Testament not as concerning only the Jews but also as touching us personally. Abraham is truly the father of our faith (cf. Rom 4:11-12; Roman Canon: patriarchae nostri Abrahae). And it is said (1 Cor 10:1): "Our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea". The patriarchs, prophets and other personalities of the Old Testament have been venerated and always will be venerated as saints in the liturgical tradition of the Oriental Church as also of the Latin Church.

3. From the unity of the divine plan derives the problem of the relation between the Old and New Testaments. The Church already from apostolic times (cf. 1 Cor 10:11; Heb 10:1) and then constantly in tradition resolved this problem by means of typology, which emphasises the primordial value that the Old Testament must have in the Christian view.

Typology however makes many people uneasy and is perhaps the sign of a problem unresolved.

4. Hence in using typology, the teaching and practice of which we have received from the Liturgy and from the Fathers of the Church, we should be careful to avoid any transition from the Old to the New Testament which might seem merely a rupture.

The Church, in the spontaneity of the Spirit which animates her, has vigorously condemned the attitude of Marcion** and always opposed his dualism.

5. It should also be emphasised that typological interpretation consists in reading the Old Testament as preparation and, in certain aspects, outline and foreshadowing of the New (cf. e.g., Heb 5:5-10 etc.). Christ is henceforth the key and point of reference to the Scriptures: athe rock was ChristÓ (1 Cor 10:4).

6. It is true then, and should be stressed, that the Church and Christians read the Old Testament in the light of the event of the dead and risen Christ and that on these grounds there is a Christian reading of the Old Testament which does not necessarily coincide with the Jewish reading. Thus Christian identity and Jewish identity should be carefully distinguished in their respective reading of the Bible.

But this detracts nothing from the value of the Old Testament in the Church and does nothing to hinder Christians from profiting discerningly from the traditions of Jewish reading.

7. Typological reading only manifests the unfathomable riches of the Old Testament, its inexhaustible content and the mystery of which it is full, and should not lead us to forget that is retains its own value as Revelation that the New Testament often does no more than raume (cf. Mk 12:29-31). Moreover, the New Testament itself demands to be read in the light of the Old. Primitive Christian catechesis constantly had recourse to this (cf. e.g., 1 Cor 5:6-8; 10:1-11).

8. Typology further signifies reaching towards the accomplishment of the divine plan, when "God will be all in all" (1 Cor 15:28). This holds true also for the Church which, realised already in Christ, yet awaits its definitive perfecting as the Body of Christ.

The fact that the Body of Christ is still tending towards its full stature (cf. Eph 4:12-19) takes nothing from the value of being a Christian. So also the calling of the patriarchs and the Exodus from Egypt do not lose their importance and value in God's design from being at the same time intermediate stages (cf. e.g., Nostra Aetate, 4).

9. The Exodus, for example, represents an experience of salvation and liberation that is not complete in itself, but has in it, over and above its own meaning, the capacity to be developed further. Salvation and liberation are already accomplished in Christ and gradually realised by the sacraments in the Church. This makes way for the fulfilment of God's design, which awaits its final consummation with the return of Jesus as Messiah, for which we pray each day. The Kingdom, for the coming of which we also pray each day, will be finally established. With salvation and liberation the elect and the whole of creation will be transformed in Christ (Rom 8:19-23).

10. Furthermore, in underlining the eschatological dimension of Christianity we shall reach a greater awareness that the people of God of the Old and the New Testament are tending towards a like end in the future: the coming or return of the Messiah - even if they start from two different points of view. It is more clearly understood that the person of the Messiah is not only a point of division for the people of God but also a point of convergence (cf. Sussidi per l'ecumenismo of the diocese of Rome, n. 140). Thus is can be said that Jews and Christians meet in a comparable hope, founded on the same promise made to Abraham (cf. Gen 12:1-3; Heb 6:13-18).

11. Attentive to the same God who has spoken, hanging on the same word, we have to witness to one same memory and one common hope in Him who is the master of history. We must also accept our responsibility to prepare the world for the coming of the Messiah by working together for social justice, respect for the rights of persons and nations and for social and international reconciliation. To this we are driven, Jews and Christians, by the command to love our neighbour, by a common hope for the kingdom of God and by the great heritage of the Prophets. Transmitted soon enough by catechesis, such a conception would teach young Christians in a practical to way cooperate with Jews, going beyond simple dialogue (cf. Guidelines, IV).

III. Jewish Roots of Christianity

1. Jesus was and always remained a Jew, his ministry was deliberately limited "to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Mt 15:24). Jesus is fully a man of his time, and of his environment Y the Jewish Palestinian one of the first century, the anxieties and hopes of which he shared. This cannot but underline both the reality of the Incarnation and the very meaning of the history of salvation, as it has been revealed in the Bible (cf. Rom 1:3-4; Gal 4:4-5).

2. Jesuss relations with biblical law and its more or less traditional interpretations are undoubtedly complex and he showed great liberty towards it (cf. the "antitheses" of the Sermon on the Mount: Mt 5:21-48, bearing in mind the exegetical difficulties; his attitude to rigorous observance of the Sabbath: Mk 3:1-6, etc.).

But there is not doubt that he wished to submit himself to the law (cf. Gal 4:4), that he was circumcised and presented in the Temple like any Jew of his time (cf. Lk 2:21. 22-24), that he was trained in the law's observance. He extolled respect for it (cf. Mt 5:17-20) and invited obedience to it (cf. Mt 8:4). The rhythm of his life was marked by observance of pilgrimages on great feasts, even from his infancy (cf. Lk 2:41-50; Jn 2:13; 7:10 etc.). The importance of the cycle of the Jewish feasts has been frequently underlined in the Gospel of John (cf. 2:13; 5:1: 7:2.10.37; 10:22; 12:1; 18:28; 19:42; etc.).

3. It should be noted also that Jesus often taught in the Synagogues (cf. Mt 4:23: 9:35; Lk 4:15-18; Jn 18:20 etc.) and in the Temple (cf. Jn 18:20 etc.), which he frequented as did the disciples even after the Resurrection (cf. e.g., Acts 2:46; 3:1: 21:26 etc.). He wished to pu tin the context of synagogue worship the proclamation of his Messiahship (cf. Lk 4:16-21). But above all he wished to achieve the supreme act of the gift of himself in the setting of the domestic liturgy of the Passover or at least of the paschal festivity (cf. Mk 14:1.12 and parallels; Jn 18:28). This also allows of a better understanding of the "memorial" character of the Eucharist.

4. Thus the Son of God is incarnate in a people and a human family (cf. Gal 4:4; Rom 9:5). This takes away nothing, quite the contrary, from the fact that he was born for all men (Jewish shepherds and pagan wise men are found at his crib: Lk 2:80-20; Mt 2:1-12) and died for all men (at the foot of the cross there are Jews, among them Mary and John: Jn 19:25-27, and pagans like the centurion: Mk 15:39 and parallels). Thus he made two peoples one in his flesh (cf. Eph 2:14-17). This explains why with the Ecclesia ac gentibus we have, in Palestine and elsewhere, an Ecclesia ex circumcisione, of which Eusebius for example speaks (H.E. IV, 5).

5. His relations with the Pharisees were not always or wholly polemical. Of this there are many proofs:

- It is Pharisees who warn Jesus of the risks he is running (Lk 13:31);

- Some Pharisees are praised w e.g., "the scribe" of Mk 12:34;

- Jesus eats with Pharisees (Lk 7:36; 14:1).

6. Jesus shares, with the majority of Palestinian Jews of that time, some pharisaic doctrines: the resurrection of the body; forms of piety, like alms-giving, prayer, fasting (cf. Mt 6:1-18) and the liturgical practice of addressing God as Father; the priority of the commandment to love God and our neighbour (cf. Mk 12:28-34). This is so also with Paul (cf. Acts 23:8), who always considered his membership of the Pharisees as a title of honour (cf. ibid. 23:6; 26:6; Phil 3:5).

7. Paul also, like Jesus himself, used methods of reading and interpreting Scripture and of teaching his disciples which were common to the Pharisees of their time. This applies to the use of parables in Jesus' ministry, as also to the method of Jesus and Paul of supporting a conclusion with a quotation from Scripture.

8. It is noteworthy too that the Pharisees are not mentioned in accounts of the Passion. Gamaliel (Acts 5:34-39) defends the apostles in a meeting of the Sanhedrin. An exclusively negative picture of the Pharisees is likely to be inaccurate and unjust (cf. Guidelines, Note 1; cf. AAS, loc. cit. p. 76). If in the Gospels and elsewhere in the New Testament there are all sort of unfavourable references to the Pharisees, they should be seen against the, background of a complex and diversified movement.

Criticisms of various types of Pharisees are moreover not lacking in rabbinical sources (cf. the Babylon Talmud, the Sotah treatise 22b, etc.). "Phariseeism" in the pejorative sense can be rife in any religion. It may also be stressed that, if Jesus shows himself severe towards the Pharisees, it is because he is closer to them than to other contemporary Jewish groups (cf. supra n. 17).

9. All this should help up to understand better what St Paul says (Rom 11:16 ff) about the "root" and the "branches". The Church and Christianity, for all their novelty, find their origin in the Jewish milieu of the first century of our era, and more deeply still in the "design of God" (Nostra Aetate, 4), realised in the Patriarchs, Moses and the Prophets (ibid.), down to its consummation in Christ Jesus.

IV. The Jews in the New Testament

1. The Guidelines already say (note 1) that "the formula "the Jews sometimes, according to the context, means "the leaders of the Jews' or "the adversaria of Jesus', terms which express better the thought of the evangelist and avoid appearing to arraign the Jewish people as such".

An objective presentation of the role of the Jewish people in the New Testament should take account of these various facts:

A. The Gospels are the outcome of long and complicated editorial work. The dogmatic constitution Dei Verbum, following the Pontifical Biblical Commission's Instruction Sancta Mater Ecclesia, distinguishes three stages: "The sacred authors wrote the four Gospels, selecting some things from the many which had been handed on by word of mouth or in writing, reducing some of them to a synthesis, explicating some things in view of the situation of the Churches, and preserving the form of proclamation, but always in such fashion that they told us the honest truth about Jesus" (n. 19).

Hence it cannot be ruled out that some references hostile or less than favourable to the Jews have their historical context in conflicts between the nascent Church and the Jewish community.

Certain controversies reflect Christian-Jewish-relations long after the time of Jesus.

To establish this is of capital importance if we wish to bring out the meaning of certain Gospel texts for the Christians of today.

All this should be taken into account when preparing catechesis and homilies for the last weeks of Lent and Holy Week (cf. already Guidelines II, and now also Sussidi per l'ecumenismo nella diocesi di Roma, 1982, 144 b).

B. It is clear on the other hand that there were conflicts between Jesus and certain categories of Jews of his time, among them Pharisees, from the beginning of his ministry (cf. Mk 2:1-11.24; 3:6 etc.).

C. There is moreover the sad fact that the majority of the Jewish people and its authorities did not believe in Jesus - a fact not merely of history but of theological bearing, of which St Paul tries hard to plumb the meaning (Rom chap. 9-11).

D. This fact, accentuated as the Christian mission developed, especially among the pagans, led inevitably to a rupture between Judaism and the young Church, now irreducibly separated and divergent in faith, and this stage of affairs is reflected in the texts of the New Testament and particularly in the Gospel. There is no question of playing down or glossing over this rupture; that could only prejudice the identity of either side.

Nevertheless it certainly does not cancel the spiritual "bond" of which the Council speaks (Nostra Aetate, 4) and which we propose to dwell on here.

E. Reflecting on this in the light of Scripture, notably of the chapters cited from the epistle to the Romans, Christians should never forget that the faith is a free gift of God (cf. Rom 9:12) and that we should never judge the consciences of others. St Paul's exhortation "do not boast" in your attitude to "the root" (Rom 11:18) has its full point here.

F. There is no putting the Jews who knew Jesus and did not believe in him, or those who opposed the preaching of the apostles, on the same plane with Jews who came after or those of today. If the responsibility of the former remains a mystery hidden with God (cf. Rom 11:25), the latter are in an entirely different situation. Vatican II in the declaration on Religious Liberty teaches that "all men are to be immune from coercion" in such wise that in matters religious no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs. Nor "restrained from acting in accordance with his own beliefs" (n. 2). This is one of the bases - proclaimed by the Council - or which Judeao-Christian dialogue rests.

2. The delicate question of responsibility for the death of Christ must be looked at from the standpoint of the conciliar declaration Nostra Aetate, 4 and of Guidelines and Suggestions (III): "What happened in (Christ's) passion cannot be blamed upon all the Jews then living without distinction nor upon the Jews of today", especially since "authorities of the Jews and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ". Again, further on: "Christ in his boundless love freely underwent his passion and death because of the sins of all men, so that all might attain salvation" (Nostra Aetate, 4). The Catechism of the Council of Trent teaches that Christian sinners are more to blame for the death of Christ than those few Jews who brought it about - they indeed "knew not what they did" (cf. Lk 23:24) and we know it only too well (Pars I, caput V, Quaest, XI). In the same way and for the same reason, "the Jews should not be presented as repudiated or cursed by God, as if such views followed from the holy Scriptures" (Nostra Aetate, 4), even though it is true that "the Church is the new people of God" (ibid.).

V. The Liturgy

1. Jews and Christians find in the Bible the very substance of their liturgy: for the proclamation of God's word, response to it, prayer of praise and intercession for the living and the dead, recourse to the divine mercy. The Liturgy of the word in its own structure originates in Judaism. The prayer of Hours and other liturgical texts and formularies have their parallels in Judaism as do the very formulas of our most venerable prayers, among them the Our Father.

The eucharistic prayers also draw inspiration from models in the Jewish tradition. As John Paul II said (Allocution of March 6th, 1982): "the faith and religious life of the Jewish people as they are professed and practised still today, can greatly help us to understand better certain aspects of the life of the Church. Such is the case of liturgy".

2. This is particulary evident in the great feasts of the liturgical year, like the Passover. Christians and Jews celebrate the Passover: the Jews, the historic Passover looking towards the future; the Christians, the Passover accomplished in the death and resurrection of Christ, although still in expectation of the final consummation (cf. supra n. 9). It is still the "memorial" which comes to us from the Jewish tradition, with a specific content different in each case. On either side, however, there is a like dynamism: for Christians it gives meaning to the eucharistic celebration (cf. the antiphon 'O sacrum convivium), a paschal celebration and as such a making present of the past, but experienced in the expectation of what is to come.

VI. Judaism and Christianity in History

1. The history of Israel did not end in 70 A.D. (cf. Guidelines, II). It continued, especially in a numerous Diaspora which allowed Israel to carry to the whole world a witness - often heroic - of its fidelity to the one God and to "exalt him in the presence of all the living" (Tobit 13:4), while preserving the memory of the land of their forefathers at the hearts of their hope (Passover Seder).

Christians are invited to understand this religious attachment which finds its roots in Biblical tradition, without however making their own any particular religious interpretation of this relationship (cf. Declaration of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, November 20, 1975).

The existence of the State of Israel and its political options should be envisaged not in a perspective which is in itself religious, but in their reference to the common principles of international law.

The permanence of Israel (while so many ancient peoples have disappeared without trace) is a historic fact and a sign to be interpreted within God's design. We must in any case rid ourselves of the traditional idea of a people punished, preserved as a living argument for Christian apologetic. It remains a chosen people, "the pure olive on which were grafted the branches of the wild olive which are the gentiles" (John Paul II, 6th March, 1982, alluding to Rom 11:17-24). We must remember how much the balance of relations between Jews and Christians over two thousand years has been negative. We must remind ourselves how the permanence of Israel is accompanied by a continuous spiritual fecundity, in the rabbinical period, in the Middle Ages and in modern times, taking its start from a patrimony which we long shared, so much so that "the faith and religious life of the Jewish people as they are professed and practised still today, can greatly help us to understand better certain aspects of the life of the Church" (John Paul II, March 6th, 1982). Catechesis should on the other hand help in understanding the meaning for the Jews of the extermination during the years 1939-1945, and its consequences.

2. Education and catechesis should concern themselves with the problem of racism, still active in different forms of anti-Semitism. The Council presented in thus: "Moreover, (the Church) mindful of her common patrimony with the Jews and motivated by the Gospel's spiritual love and by no political considerations, deplores the hatred, persecutions and displays of anti-Semitism directed against the Jews at any time and from any source" (Nostra Aetate, 4). The Guidelines Comment: "the spiritual bonds and historical links binding the Church to Judaism condemn (as opposed to the very spirit of Christianity) all forms of anti-Semitism and discrimination, which in any case the dignity of the human person alone would suffice to condemn" (Guidelines, Preamble).

Conclusion

Religious teaching, catechesis and preaching should be a preparation not only for objectivity, justice, tolerance but also for understanding and dialogue. Our two traditions are so related that they cannot ignore each other. Mutual knowledge must be encouraged at every level. There is evident in particular a painful ignorance of the history and traditions of Judaism, of which only negative aspects and often caricature seem to form part of the stock ideas of many Christians.

That is what these notes aim to remedy. This would mean that the Council text and "Guidelines and Suggestions" would be more easily and faithfully put into practice.

Johannes Cardinal Willebrands
(President)

Pierre Duprey
(Vice-President)

Jorge Meija
(Secretary)


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*We continue to use the expression Old Testament because it is traditional (cf. already 2 Cor 3:14) but also because "Old" does not mean "out of date" or "out-worn". In any case, it is the permanent value of the O.T. as a source of Christian Revelation that is emphasised here (cf. Dei Verbum, 3).

**A man of gnostic tendency who in the second century rejected the Old Testament and part of the New as the work of an evil god, a demiurge. The Church reacted strongly against this heresy (cf. Irenaeus).




Joseph O'Leary

Central to the above document is its stress on the deep bond that unites Jews and Christians. The conversion prayer of the 1962 liturgy does not reflect this but echoes the epoch of division and hostility, notably in the phrase "even the Jews".

TF

Fr. Joe,
How long does it take for the acid you took during the 60's to wear off? Your superiors should have warned you not to take Carlos Castaneda so literally!

Joseph O'Leary

Here are responses of Joan CHITTISTER and Thomas REESE with indignant expostulations of John ZUHLSDORF.

CHITTISTER:

It used to be that if you asked a question about the Catholic church, you got very straightforward answers. No, we did not eat meat on Friday. Yes, we had to go to church every Sunday. [Before legions of the discontinuity folks really snatched the reins of power in schools, chanceries, universities, seminaries, convents….]

They tell us now that Mass texts—including even hymns—may not include feminine references to God. And this in a church that has routinely addressed God as Key of David, Door of life, wind, fire, light and dove. God who is also, they tell us, "pure spirit" can never, ever, be seen as ‘mother.’ [sniff] Are we to think, then, that even hinting at the notion that the image of God includes the image of women as well as the image of men, as God in Genesis says it does, is dangerous to the faith? Antithetical to the faith? Heresy? [If the shoe…. well….]

Or, too, we learned that the words of the consecration itself would soon be edited to correct the notion that Jesus came to save "all" [Nooooooo… that is not what the correct translation "pro multis".] —as we had been taught in the past—to the idea [the FACT] that Jesus came to save "many." The theological implications of changing from "all" to "many" boggles the mind. Who is it that Jesus did not come to save? [This is just tendentious.]

Does such a statement imply again that "only Catholics go to heaven?" And, if read like that by others, is this some kind of subtle retraction of the whole ecumenical movement?

Now, this week, we got the word that the pope himself, contrary to the advice and concerns of the world’s bishops, [First, the Pope is not subject to the bishops. Second, the bishops are to be in union with Peter. Third, Peter’s role is to strengthen the brethren and govern the Church entrusted in the first place to him. Fourth, the Pope DID consult... and consult, and consult, and consult. And do you think he was just twiddling his thumbs without anything to do before he became Pope?] has restored the Tridentine Latin Rite. [Noooo….. even a fast reading of the MP shows that the older, extraordinary form of the Roman Rite had never been abrogated.] It is being done, the pope explains, to make reconciliation easier with conservative groups. [Noooo…. it doesn’t stop there. That is unjust. These provisions are for THREE, groups, those who are in questionable unity or broken with the Church (which subsists in its fullness in the Catholic Church), those who were wounded by the changes decades past, and those who have discovered the older ways and want them now. The writer was lacking in justice not to give the Pope’s document a fair reading. But here at WDTPRS we try to be just. If you want peace, work for justice, after all. This is a social-justice oriented blog, or rather an ad orientem justly social blog… well… you get it.]

But it does not, at the same time, make reconciliation easier with women, [HUH??? Whenever I go to a approved parish or chapel to celebrate the older use of Holy Mass (something the writer of this article will never do in any use) I always see lots of women. Women everywhere. Big women, old women, little women, young women, girls, and they are pretty happy to be there, too. You can tell by the way their chapel veils hang.] who are now pointedly left out of the Eucharistic celebration entirely, certainly in its God-language, even in its pronouns. [Nooooo….left out especially in its pronouns, Sister, let’s be precise.] Nor does it seem to care about reconciliation with Jews who find themselves in the Tridentine Good Friday rite again as "blind" and objects of conversion. It’s difficult not to wonder if reconciliation is really what it’s all about. [Well… it ain’t about reconciliation on your terms, Sister, I can tell you that. And the provisions for the use of the extraordinary right really aren’t about the Jews at all. They don’t figure in the equation. And, you know what? That’s okay. Moreover, the writer is not just wrong, but also unjust. True Catholics don’t treat other people as "objects". People, made in God’s image and likeness, are the dignified subjects of their own actions. That dignity cannot be violated. No one is forced to be a Catholic or to listen to us. But, darn it, we have a right to be Catholic, and have our own language, and symbols, and prayers. And if anyone is interested in talking, we’ll talk. But in the CATHOLIC Church, we are not going to betray Jesus Christ and compromise our beliefs for the sake of "buonismo".]

What’s more, where, in the intervening years, bishops had to give permission for the celebration of Tridentine masses in the local diocese, the new document requires only that the rite be provided at the request of the laity. [Right. This empowers the laity. It empowers WOMEN, come to think of it LAY WOMEN! And SISTERS! Sisters can now boss priests around and make them say the old Mass!]

But why the concerns? If some people prefer a Latin mass [I think the writer means the older form of Mass] to an English mass, why not have it?

The answer depends on what you think the Mass has to do with articulating the essence of the Christian faith.

The Latin Mass,[I think the writer means the older form of Mass] for instance, in which the priest celebrates the Eucharist with his back to the people, [kaCHING! Say da magic woid, winnahunnud dahlahs!] in a foreign language—much of it said silently or at best whispered [much of it said very much out loud]—makes the congregation, the laity, observers of the rite rather than participants in it. [I think we have covered what the Church really means by "active participation" here so often readers can recite it in their sleep. So, let’s just back away from this embarassing cliche and move on.]

The celebrant becomes the focal point of the process, the special human being, the one for whom God is a kind of private preserve. [Well…. yah… that’s about right. When the priest is at the altar, he IS special. He is alter Christus. That, Sister, is special!]

The symbology of a lone celebrant, [cue Clint Eastwood music….] removed from and independent of the congregation, [a clear whistled melody…. the distant howl of a wolf and… what’s that hear? Gunfire?!] is clear: ordinary people have no access to God. They are entirely dependent on a special caste of males to contact God for them. [B as in B. S as in S.] They are "not worthy," to receive the host, or as the liturgy says now, even to have Jesus "come under my roof." [Ehem…. one of those things the lone male priest is saying silently up there at the altar Sister can’t approach is "Domine, non sum dignus… Domine, non sum dignus… Domine, non sum dignus…" before anyone else says it. And, NEWS FLASH: No one is worthy to receive the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ Jesus in the Eucharist. We approach Him because He invitingly commands it and we, in hope that He will crown His own merits in us, extends to us now this great pledge of future glory. We come with humility, not a sense of our own "worth". His Holiness even before his election wrote and warned eloquently about an unbridled sense of "self-sufficiency" in the Church.]

The Eucharist in such a setting is certainly not a celebration of the entire community. It is instead a priestly act, a private devotion of both priest and people, which requires for its integrity three "principal parts" alone—the offertory, the consecration and the communion. The Liturgy of the Word—the instruction in what it means to live a Gospel life—is, in the Tridentine Rite, at best, a minor element. [Riiiighhhht…. so… show me that list of great saints raised up solely on the newer form of Mass…. oppps…. where are they? It look like all these saints we so venerate were nourished on a Mass that had little to do with the Gospel life. I guess the Chinese and Spanish martyrs, Teresa of Calcutta, Damien of Molochai, Catherine of Siena, Bakhita, and well… others somehow just stumbled onto their…. thing… by chance.]

In the Latin mass, the sense of mystery—of mystique—the incantation of "heavenly" rather than "vulgar" language in both prayer and music, underscores a theology of transcendence. It lifts a person out of the humdrum, the dusty, the noisy, the crowded chaos of normal life to some other world. It reminds us of the world to come—beautiful, mystifying, hierarchical, perfumed—and makes this one distant. It takes us beyond the present, enables us, if only for a while, to "slip the surly bonds of earth" for a world more mystical than mundane. [So far so good.]

It privatizes the spiritual life. The Tridentine Mass is a God-and-I liturgy. [Riiiight…. that is why St. John of God and Camillus of Lellis, the aforementioned Teresa of Calcutta founded hospitals and houses for the desperate, why saintly mother foundresses built schools and shelters and orphanages, why holy missionaries left everything to go to the ends of the earth. This is why millions of quiet lay people saved and sacrificed to build their churches and support women religious (before they needed pants suits and hairdoos) and give to the poor and to missions. In the end, everyone of them, if you were to ask them after Mass why they did those things they would say without hesitation…. "It’s all about me and Jesus". That’s right! That’s sure what they would tell you.]

The Vatican II liturgy, on the other hand, steeps a person in community, in social concern, in the hard, cold, clear reality of the present. [Especially when those out of tune guitars start a strummin’ and the shouting into the microphone over the bongos begins…. hard, cold reality of the present… for an hour or so that seems never to end.] The people and priest pray the Mass together, in common language, with a common theme. They interact with one another. They sing "a new church into being,’ non-sexist, inclusive, centered together [BLEEEEEAAAAACHHH .... ‘scuse me o{]8{ sorry… please go on… ] in the Jesus who walked the dusty roads of Galilee curing the sick, raising the dead, talking to women and inviting the Christian community to do the same.

The Vatican II liturgy grapples with life from the point of view of the distance between life as we know it and life as the gospel defines it for us. It plunges itself into the sanctifying challenges of dailiness. [Wow… no one had EVER thought of that before 1963!]

The Vatican II liturgy carries within it a theology of transformation. It does not seek to create on earth a bit of heaven; it does set out to remind us all of the heaven we seek. It does not attempt to transcend the present. It does seek to transform it. It creates community out of isolates in an isolating society. [Ehem…. to me… that sounds like hell. That sound like exactly the OPPOSITE of what Vatican II asks of the baptized living in the world. Still… let’s all sing!
Not in the dark of buildings confining,
not in some heaven, light years away,
but here in this place, the new light is shining;
now is the Kingdom, now is the day.
Gather us in – and ….aaaaaaaand…..
BLEEEEEAAAAACHHH .... sorry… sorry again…]
There is a power and a beauty in both liturgical traditions, of course. No doubt they both need a bit of the other. [After all that, you make this admission?] [The] Eucharist after all is meant to be both transcendent and transformative. But make no mistake: In their fundamental messages, they present us with more than two different styles of music or two different languages or two different sets of liturgical norms. [Which is a pretty good start, thank you very much.] They present us with two different churches. [B as in B. S as in S.]

The choice between these two different liturgies bring the church to a new crossroads, one more open, more ecumenical, more communal, more earthbound than the other. The question is which one of them is more likely to create the world Jesus models and of which we dream. [While those who follow followed the heremeutic of rupture and "dreamed", in the bad old day Catholics WORKED and created the infrastructure the dreamers are still living off of. For people like this, who can see things only in blacks and whites without any flexibility and nuance, who are incapable of taking what is good from the last, say four decades, and then make corrections, I bet all of this really is pretty scary. We should be nicer…. .... .... later maybe… ]

There are many more questions ahead of us as a result of this new turn in the liturgical road than simply the effect of such a decree on parish architecture, seminary education, music styles, language acquisition and multiple Mass schedules. [I’ll settle for those.]

The theological questions that lurk under the incense and are obscured by the language are far more serious than that. They’re about what’s really good for the church—ecumenism or ecclesiastical ghettoism, [Always the drama… always with the drama.] altars and altar rails, [yeppp….. pretty scary] mystique or mystery, incarnation as well as divinity, community or private spirituality?

From where I stand, it seems obvious that the Fathers [and Mothers] of Vatican Council II knew the implications of the two different Eucharistic styles then and bishops around the world know it still. [And that is why the Fathers … and Mothers… of the Council mandated only VERY FEW changes to Holy Mass. Read the documents.] But their concerns have been ignored. They don’t have much to do with it anymore. Now it’s up to the laity to decide which church they really want—and why. Which we choose may well determine the very nature of the church for years to come.

REESE
"Much fuss is being made over the rumor that the Tridentine Mass is allegedly going to be “restored.” If anything happens, and it probably will, the decision will have more to do with power and politics than Latin and liturgy. [For all feminists it’s always about power.]
"The issue is not Latin in the liturgy. Any priest can say the current Catholic liturgy in Latin. Nor is the issue the Tridentine or pre-Vatican II mass. Any priest, with the permission of his bishop, can say the Tridentine Latin mass.

"The real issue is the power of local bishop to decide [As I said. Most of concern was about the power of the bishops, not whether this was the right thing to do or not.] whether the Tridentine mass will be said in his diocese. Right now, a local bishop has the power to approve or not approve the use of the Tridentine mass in his diocese. [That they were not so generous brought this present situation on.] Under current practice, a priest or a group of people petition the bishop to allow them to use the Tridentine mass. [Or… the bishop could do it on his own without a petition.] He then investigates the situation and decides on pastoral grounds whether it is a good idea or not. Often he will require that the petitioners state that they accept the new liturgy and Vatican II as legitimate.

"Some bishops, especially in France, have said no because they judge that the petitioners reject the reforms of Vatican II and are divisive in their dioceses. If the pope issues a Motu proprio allowing the use of the Tridentine mass without the local bishop’s permission, he is basically saying that he does not trust the pastoral judgment of the bishops. Those who have been fighting the bishops over the Tridentine mass will celebrate this as a victory over the bishops. [Not if the bishop takes charge of the situation from the very beginning.]

"Some in the Vatican, including Benedict, hope that allowing free use of the Tridentine mass will make possible reunion with Society of St. Pius X, the schismatic group started by French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. The leaders of the group, however, have indicated that their rejection of Vatican II goes way beyond the vernacular liturgy.
"Some in the Vatican hope that greater use of the Tridentine mass will undermine support for the Lefebvrite leaders and bring some of the society’s members back into union with the Catholic Church. [That is what happens where bishops have been generous with the older form of Mass.]

"Rumors that the Tridentine Mass was giong to be made more easily available date back to the papacy of John Paul II. So far the bishops have been able to fight it off, but the record shows that when it is an issue of papal power versus episcopal power, the Vatican usually wins. [Right, because for men like Reese, this is seen through the lens of power and conflict.] Other than embarrassing the bishops and pastors who have opposed wider use of the Tridentine mass, the Motu proprio will probably have little effect since public opinion polls show overwhelming support for the new liturgy among Catholics."


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