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April 26, 2010

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Dom Bellino

Very thoughtful and helpful analysis, at least helpful to me. Wonderful web site, Father O'Leary.

Rat-biter

## My readiness to make allowances for the present Pope, took a blow when I found this on this website:

"http://josephsoleary.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/03/senator-david-norris-to-the-clergy-learn-to-respect-human-beings.html

...This is among the reasons that I have said publicly that in the case of the then Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict the XVI, I will not accept moral instruction from any person who wore a swastika on his armband while people like myself were being put into the ovens at Auschwitz. It is continually asserted by Vatican spin doctors that membership of the Hitler Youth was compulsory. This is not so. I know this not only from my own German acquaintances but have also confirmed it within the last year by contacting the German Embassy. Indeed the Pope himself made clear, in one of his rare references to this period of his life, that the reason he joined the Hitler Youth was so as not to be educationally disadvantaged in his studies for the priesthood. This is perhaps understandable and is certainly a practical approach but it is scarcely at the highest level of morality."

## If that is true, this Pope is not a fit person to lecture the rest of the world on morality. It is the Church that he rules that has ruined the lives of the weakest members in the Church, and until he stops enabling paedophiles and episcopal pimps, he has nothing to say that is worth listening to. Unless he has forgotten the (dogmatic) teaching of Vatican I, summarised here:

http://www.romancatholicteachings.com/catholic_religion/papacy.html

"This brings us to the word 'immediate', which is used to describe the Pope's authority, and means that the authority of the Pope over every person in the Church is direct. It touches each member without the need to go through any intermediate officer of the Church....."

and found here:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V1.HTM

9. So, then, if anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, and this not only in matters of faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church dispersed throughout the whole world; or that he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the Churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful: let him be anathema.

## If those abused were members of the CC, then the Pope was by that very fact responsible, that is, answerable, for them. Answerable to God, even if no man can call him to account.

If he has the authority those quotations describe, it is an empty subterfuge for his apologists to try to ignore the teaching quoted, for with authority comes a concomitant responsibility - Christians cannot have without the other, without adopting a completely amoral position that is alien to the obedience-in-authority of Christ. The Pope cannot have what that Council claims for him, if he is not also prepared to be responsible committed to his care. Those who say he has not responsible, deny the teaching of Vatican I in so doing.

As the poster immediately above says,this is a very good site.

Spirit of Vatican II

I can't blame the young Ratzinger for being in Hitler-Jugend, for in his shoes I'd have done the same thing. But he could have made a statement about it, praising those who chose persecution instead, instead of suggesting that he had no choice in the matter (or allowing his PR agents to put that spin on it). Yes, ultramontanism is the real danger, and historian Massimo Faggioli has just warned that the present crisis is likely to increase further the ultramontane concentration of power in papal hands: http://www.europaquotidiano.it/gw/producer/dettaglio.aspx?id_doc=118106

Spirit of Vatican II

The reaction so far, says Faggioli, is to center in the papacy the powers of repression and control, at the expense of the rest of the church and above all the bishops, who face a drip-drip of resignations comparable to the purges of collaborationist bishops after World War II. The role of bishops was fatally weakened by Vatican I and the effort of Vatican II to restore balance has failed. The winners of the postconciliar crisis are an invasively present mediatized papacy and the new Catholic movements, while the losers are the bishops, ever weaker, squeezed between a Roman Curia anxious to present itself as the advocate of "zero tolerance" (including against bishops) and a public opinion who sees them as the villains of the abuse scandal. The US legal action against the Pope ironically accords with the ultramontane "doping" of the church by the popes for the last 30 years. The Curia's protection of the Pope masks the deep causes of the crisis. Face with Kung's call for a Council the Curia have spiritualized the issue accusing Kung et al. of believing in "ecclesiastical engineering."

Spirit of Vatican II

Paul Mees defends Benedict rather well and makes mincemeat of his fatuous critics who keep beating the same emotive drum.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/04/23/here%E2%80%99s-a-crazy-idea-what-if-the-pope-is-innocent/

But the real issue is the one signaled by Faggioli, and the Pope-fixation of contemporary Catholics makes it unlikely we'll see any widespead intelligent awareness of that.

Spirit of Vatican II

Spanish theologians call for the Pope to resign: http://www.golias.fr/spip.php?article3976

evagrius

I'd like your opinion on this essay;

http://www.williamcmills.com/resources_crackingclericalcaste.pdf

I think it points to the real origin of the crisis.

Spirit of Vatican II

Evagrius, I thought the five points he recommends at the end of the essay are still too clericalist! I did not find the essay particularly illuminating, because most of the priests I know do not fit the paradigm he describes; but then I have long put myself at a distance from clerical enclaves and my priest friends are unusually critical and creative people.

I suppose clericalism was rife in the glory days of Pius XII and perhaps among some naive priests who tried to relive those days under John Paul II. Otherwise the priesthood seems to me a very broken-down caste, une caste mourante et qui cherche a mourir... Perhaps the Greek Orthodox Church still has an unbroken clerical caste of the sort described.

Spirit of Vatican II

Bilgrimage has come out with a quite balanced piece, taking as text a thought-provoking utterance of Fr Vincent Twomey: http://bilgrimage.blogspot.com/2010/04/catholic-abuse-crisis-argument-and.html

Spirit of Vatican II

There is a grim irony in the way that those who are loudest in calling for censorship and penalizing freedom of opinion then find themselves with nothing to say when their moment comes. I saw one or two blogs die in his way: a cabal of censors create an intimidating environment, then when they are left on their own they have nothing to say and the blog ceases to have discussions. Ratzinger was the great suppressor of freedom of opnion and freedom of speech in the Church opnion and freedom of speech in the Church (both of which are human rights according to the Universal Declaration); now he has to speak to the church's difficulties and he does not know what to say. He is struck dumb. A grimly ironic nemesis.

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